Moldy Chum Forums > Trout beads
I use beads for salmon and they work well. Not sure if that's what your refering to. Are trout beads different than regular beads?
RH
Troutbeads is a brand. Fishing beads is supposed to be a way to "match the hatch" during a salmon spawn. They're a perfectly round egg imitation when compared to glow bug style eggs. Alaskans swear by them on the Kenai in september for huge rainbows and dolly varden.
scott
While yes they are effective, I personally will not fish them...Reasons being is that they do not biodegrade after losing tackle, they can be seen littering the Salmon river in NY where they are popular, while this may not be unsightly to some fisherman, I find it is disturbing that we as anglers, stewards of the river are the ones polluting it with unnatural substances...Just a thought to consider for the greater good...
NY conservationists
NY Conservationists - Do normal flies you use biodegrade? The only thing I know for sure that biodegrades is bait, and we all hope there aren't any bait fisherman on this forum.
Beads, in any water system that harbors salmon, are always a very effective way to hook up with trout. Similar to "matching the hatch" there are different colors and sizes for beads that change according to species, location, time of year, etc. The reason they are so deadly, is everything in the river thrives off of the yearly influx of salmon. Salmon flesh and eggs, during the summer months, are the main diet for trout. The bead, as opposed to the glow bug, is much more consistent with an actual egg, making it considerably more effective. The trout are actively following salmon up river, waiting for those tasty little protein nuggets to fall out.
You be slayin some bows on the Kenai with beads. Try using variations of regular patterns with beads. i.e. leeches and sculpins that are "egg sucking" are killer.
Mark
Mark - yes normal flys to break down. They are USUALLY made of all natural materials, feathers, hair, fur, etc. And the hooks themselves actually corrode pretty fast when left in water/natural environment.
leifjohn
I have fished beads in Alaska, Montana and the PNW for many years with mixed feelings. One thing I know for a fact though is that if you rig your line right and "peg" the bead at least but not more than 2 inches from your barbless hook you will have consistant hook ups in the jaw of the fish which are easily removed with little trauma for the fish, as opposed to either the fish swallowing a glo bug or a bead right on the hook, or a free sliding bead on your leader or worst of all a bead that is pegged or tied too far up the leader which results in many fish hooked in the eye or worse. Spend a fall or two on the Upper Kenai and take a look at the fish you catch, it is very obvious that those fish have been caught many times but the overall health of the fishery is quite resiliant. There is a reason the guides use beads above barbless hooks = the clients catch a lot of fish which is good for the guide and fish survial rate is 4 or 5 times greater than fish caught using any other tackle set up. Now, is it fly fishing, hardly, but it is darn exciting. PS, the average Alaska Guide who is dialed in to fishing beads will have about 50 different colors and sizes of beads. It is not as simple as getting a bag of red beads from the craft store and slaying the trout, it is at least as scientific as matching any hatch.
bdean
I have guided in Alaska for six seasons, I have used everything imaginable to try to catch fish, but nothing catches big Bows and Dollies like a bead. It is not easy to fish them, you must be very good at matching them up, and the Kenai is the most pressured river in the state, and maybe even the world, other than Ship Creek in downtown Anchorage (I urge you just to go and watch that circus). AF&G is probably the most knowledgeable wildlife department in the country, and their regs on fishing with beads are strict, there are seasons when you can fish with beads, and the game wardens border on entrapment when it comes to checking you. If you want the best bang for your buck, and you are trying to catch a trophy fish, Alaska is the best place. If you want to catch that trophy fish when you are there, you are going to fish a bead. That is was they eat, they won't even make a pass at a dry fly, and very seldom on a streamer, unless it is a flesh fly. I have been on rivers there and seen hatches that blackout the sun, in spots where I know the fish are holding, and caught no fish on a fly. We always used barbless hooks, and we never broke the law on the pegging issue. Who wants to boat a 30 incher and realize that it is hooked in the dorsal fin, and then tell your client that we can't take a picture with it, or even lift the fish out of the water? Even in a lot of the fly-out fishing camps, in some of the most remote locations, the main thing that you will fish is the bead.
Option 2: flesh fly (at least you are casting)
Option 3: egg pattern fly, but soft plastic
Option 4: Egg cluster, again soft plastic
Option 5: egg sucking leach.
Good luck with options 3 - 5
I do not consider myself to be an elitist, I do not cast a bamboo rod, and I don't tie or fish salmon flies circa 1930, but I am a conservationist. The service that I worked with was very good about taking care of the fishery. Nothing is quite like a Kenai Bow in late September, they are like a whitetail buck in south Texas that is fed protein year round, strong and fat (that's where I'm originally from).
The problem is not the beads, it's not the people that KNOW how to fish, it is the guy who you give the rod and he holds it with the reel up. Not to mention the people wading in the river with shark tackle foul hooking reds, and incidentally foul hooking a trout or a char. We just hoped that the bears got to them before we did. I have never fished in New York, wouldn't know the first thing about it. I have never caught an Atlantic salmon, but I have caught and released fish in three continents, and other than Chile, the best trout fishing that I have ever seen, is in Alaska, and you catch them on beads. Is it "fly" fishing? No. That is just what the fishery calls for. Does a Rat-L-Trap biodegrade? What about monofilament? Nope, fishing is about matching the lure up with what the fish eats.
Lastly, if you want to go fishing, I mean REAL fishing, go find a 60 year old Cajun in Southeast Louisiana, and ask him to take you noodling. That's natural, and it's as fair chase as it gets!
TheFlyCoach
leifjohn and mark are on it! When I use to live in Alaska fishing the Russian and Kenai Rivers in the fall are matchless in bow fishing. I use to drive my wife nuts with all of the "modifications" I made to 6m and 8mm beads. Leifjohn is right - variety is king. I had beads that looked like real roe to beads in shades of blue! Various size and colors - just like matching a hatch. If all you have are 6's and 8's and the real eggs are a little bigger or smaller and you don't have mod 7s in your box - you will be wasting your time.
Like other said peg 2in above barbless hook and go. An interesting option that has cuaght on by a few in Alaska is "banding" a bead. When I worked part time at 3 Rivers Fly and Tackle in Wasilla - Mike the owner had this new way of pegging beads without a toothpick. You use a threader to pull a rubber band piece through the bead and then carefully snip the ends flush with the bead. The rubber band holds it in place without nicking or damaging the leader - a plus when using fluorocarbon.
Sidenote- one of my best fishing experiences on the Kenai was an Aug trip where I witnessed on a rocky bluff bows head-spearing reds to drop their eggs. I have never seen such aggression - it was like the reds were gumball machines and the bows were feeding them quarters!
Tightlines.
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Beads have also caught on in Montana. On some famous Montana fly fishing waters like the Bighorn they have stirred up a bit of a controversy. Troutbeads.com is actually based in Hardin, MT near the Bighorn. The arguments against the are the same that have been listed above. Some claim using beads is snagging but that is hard to justify since trout eat the egg and are almost always hooked in the mouth. The biggest thing is probably that it isn't as pure as fishing with natural feathered imitations but this too is getting hard to argue since synthetic materials are here to stay and wire worms and foam attractors are pretty darn effective too. I know in Alaska you are required to peg the beads within 2 inches of the hook.
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I was wondering if anybody had any info on Trout beads. Ive never fished them before and I here good things as well as bad things. I generally fly fish and I am by no means a purest so that side doesn't bug me so whats the deal hot or not? Oh yea I practice catch and release so im curious on weather or not it increases mortality. thanks